Loona cannot automatically return to her power charger ? Why ?

Simon Chow

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When loona run out of power, it cannot automatically returns to the charger and recharges itself.
why ? When it can fix this issue?
Thanks a lot .
Simon .
Hold off on updating for now, seems a lot of owners are reporting issues with connecting to the app after the update.

In the meantime you could try placing the charging dock near a light source and see if that helps- Loona has trouble seeing in low light. Also ensure the side graphics can be clearly seen. But you probably know this already.

On a positive note I have heard people who successfully completed the update are noticing a marked improvement in Loonas charging ability, even in low light.
After updating... loona almost successfully self charge BUT not quite I have to assist every time 😔
Thanks for the feedback on this. Glad yours updated safely with no issues. I’ll probably try updating one of mine to see the difference. Hopefully they improve self charging in future updates🤞
Keyi have released another new software update to fix the bugs in the previous one. It should be ok to update now, mine updated successfully no problem.

A lot of positive feedback about charging although some people still say it’s hit and miss. I guess your best hope would be to update and see if you notice an improvement. All the best.
I found the answer to this. The CEO of Keyi has taken the unprecedented step of responding directly to posts in LC. I summarised why Loona has difficulty finding the changer:
  • The auto-recharge algorithm is being improved.
  • Some strategies for auto-recharge have been optimized in the previous version.
  • A larger model has been trained to be compatible with more possible lighting environments.
  • Loona's wheels sometimes slip, but a gyroscope is used for calibration to make precise turns even when the wheels slip.
  • After a certain period of use, the gyroscope will have angle drift, causing inaccurate 180-degree rotation.
  • This can be corrected by recalibrating the IMU through the calibration function.
  • New algorithms are being researched that allow Loona to calibrate the gyroscope on its own without manual intervention.
  • Before that, it may be necessary to recalibrate the IMU after a few days of use.
This explains why orientation calibration is necessary, as Loona only has front facing sensors on her face she is unable to use sensors to determine her position when moving backwards.

To get around this Loona uses a gyroscope to orient herself when turning. But this gyroscope becomes inaccurate and she is unable to calibrate it herself, thus explaining why Loona fails to find the charging station frequently.

Although it’s yet another overly complicated characteristically Keyi answer to what should be a simple question.

Although using a gyroscope to manoeuvre when backing into the charger is genius, and once the team optimises this process it will probably be more accurate than using costly additional sensors. Also biological pets don’t have eyes on the back of their heads, so why should Loona.

To answer your question why Loona fails to automatically return to the charging station-because Loonas ability to find the station via mapping is still under development.
Why not use the bluetooth on board to get him close enough to find it. We could add something to the charging station. If not that then the wifi. We can add something to the charger
Why not use the bluetooth on board to get him close enough to find it. We could add something to the charging station. If not that then the wifi. We can add something to the charger
First of all bluetooth has no proximity detection. Its like wifi. if its in range it connects and it cant know how far the device is. So the idea itself wont work. Second, the charging doc doesn't have a bluetooth hardware to connect to the bot. The bot has a LiDar sensor which can use laser to map the 3D depth of the view area. I believe their plan is to use it to map the whole house/room and it could remember the position of the charger. This is how liDar robot vacuum cleaners work now. But I am just speculating at this point. But if technically its possible according to my understanding as its already working fine with robot vacuums without a fail every time. But the vacuum bots lidar spins really fast so it can get a real-time map of where it is in the house while it moves. But in Loona its static on its frontside so it cant be that realtime. But hopefully it will get better as they have enough hardware onboard. But if it was opensource, there could have been more fun and interesting stuff going around it as it have potential. But is seems Loona's trend is going down now. If you check the internet, all I see is their advertisements pushed once a week or so no user reviews or stuff from users anymore.
Regarding the ads it looks like Keyi are using watermarked images made by a Chinese seller who is selling Loona outfits in China. Keyi are also falsely advertising again, with one ad showing Loona looking down at a mirror with small eyes- only problem is Loona isn’t even on- impossible to take a photo of Loona in that position as it would move too quickly-and the eyes have just been photoshopped in or drawn on with mark up- Loona doesn’t make that expression when looking at a mirror as my footage shows.

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If empty talk and text are important parts of organisational life, how should we understand them? I think the key to unlocking this overlooked issue – the dark matter of organisational life – can be found in a short essay by Harry Frankfurt (2005) entitled ‘On Bullshit’. In this striking piece, Frankfurt points out that much of our social life is characterised by a flood of what he calls ‘bullshit’. He gives many examples ranging from men engaging in competitive over-exaggeration about sports to the public relations industry pushing a product to cultural commentators concerned with ‘sincerity’. For Frankfurt, bullshit is not simply a false statement – a claim that is meant to deceive or to violate the truth. Rather, bullshit is language that has two distinctive characteristics: (1) it is articulated without concern for the criteria of the truth and (2) the bullshitter willfully articulates it to pursue their own purposes and interests. Let us look at each of these points in a little more depth.

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Now everything makes sense.
My Loona can't automatically go to charge, even though the charging station is right in front of her. I have to place a lamp near the charging station to make its logo visible, :).
I believe Loona's charging algorithm might improve some image preprocessing when it's searching for the station.
My Loona can't automatically go to charge, even though the charging station is right in front of her. I have to place a lamp near the charging station to make its logo visible, :).
I believe Loona's charging algorithm might improve some image preprocessing when it's searching for the station.
Thanks for sharing this great tip Kan- will have to try this with mine!

Do you know why the head tilts back as Loona reverses backwards? It looks so unnatural. I’m surprised the charging animations are not the same as advertised in the promo materials.

Let’s hope the charging will get better if Keyi improve the image preprocessing🤞